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Total score 0 pts.
1 4,595
2 4,595
3 4,595
4 4,595
5 4,595
6 4,595
7 4,595
8 4,595
9 4,595
10 4,595
11 4,595
12 4,595
13 4,595
14 4,595
15 4,595
16 4,595
17 4,595
18 4,595
19 4,595
20 4,595
21 4,595
22 4,595
23 4,595
24 4,595
25 4,595
26 4,595
27 4,595
28 4,595
29 4,595
30 4,595
31 4,595
32 4,595
33 4,595
34 4,595
35 4,595
36 4,595
37 4,595
38 4,595
39 4,595
40 4,595
41 4,595
42 4,595
43 4,595
44 4,595
45 4,595
46 4,595
47 4,595
48 4,595
49 4,595
50 4,595
51 4,595
52 4,595
53 4,595
54 4,595
55 4,595
56 4,595
57 4,595
58 4,595
59 4,595
60 4,595
61 4,595
62 4,595
63 4,595
64 4,595
65 4,595
66 4,595
67 4,595
68 4,595
69 4,595
70 4,595
71 4,595
72 4,595
73 4,595
74 4,595
75 4,595
76 4,595
77 4,595
78 4,595
79 4,595
80 4,595
81 4,595
82 4,595
83 4,595
84 4,595
85 4,595
86 4,595
87 4,595
88 4,595
89 4,595
90 4,595
91 4,595
92 4,595
93 4,595
94 4,595
95 4,595
96 4,595
97 4,595
98 4,595
99 4,595
100 4,595
101 4,595
102 4,595
103 4,595
104 4,595
105 4,595
106 4,595
107 4,595
108 4,595
109 4,595
110 4,595
111 4,595
112 4,595
113 4,595
114 4,595
115 4,595
116 4,595
117 4,561
118 4,554
119 4,484
120 4,391
121 4,247
122 4,054
123 3,927
124 3,831
125 3,723
126 3,715
127 3,594
128 3,548
129 3,486
130 3,433
131 3,412
132 3,395
133 3,391
134 3,361
135 3,284
136 3,241
137 3,239
138 3,233
139 3,208
140 3,169
141 3,142
142 3,136
143 3,104
144 3,103
145 3,091
146 3,073
147 3,047
148 3,044
149 3,022
150 3,002
151 2,996
152 2,955
153 2,954
154 2,951
155 2,934
156 2,928
157 2,924
158 2,910
159 2,906
160 2,887
161 2,876
162 2,850
163 2,846
164 2,819
165 2,818
166 2,816
167 2,804
168 2,801
169 2,798
170 2,792
171 2,755
172 2,751
173 2,741
174 2,738
175 2,736
176 2,724
177 2,695
178 2,689
179 2,684
180 2,672
181 2,637
182 2,634
183 2,629
184 2,628
185 2,610
186 2,600
187 2,598
188 2,596
189 2,584
190 2,583
191 2,581
192 2,578
193 2,570
194 2,567
195 2,557
196 2,556
197 2,553
198 2,542
199 2,540
200 2,525
201 2,522
202 2,521
203 2,471
204 2,470
205 2,458
206 2,457
207 2,453
208 2,446
209 2,438
210 2,431
211 2,431
212 2,430
213 2,426
214 2,420
215 2,419
216 2,417
217 2,415
218 2,409
219 2,407
220 2,404
221 2,402
222 2,398
223 2,392
224 2,390
225 2,388
226 2,371
227 2,369
228 2,342
229 2,336
230 2,329
231 2,326
232 2,326
233 2,321
234 2,298
235 2,298
236 2,294
237 2,294
238 2,288
239 2,279
240 2,273
241 2,269
242 2,260
243 2,258
244 2,256
245 2,253
246 2,250
247 2,227
248 2,224
249 2,223
250 2,217
251 2,214
252 2,188
253 2,174
254 2,173
255 2,161
256 2,159
257 2,149
258 2,131
259 2,122
260 2,093
261 2,092
262 2,066
263 2,063
264 2,061
265 2,058
266 2,040
267 2,028
268 2,026
269 2,008
270 1,999
271 1,996
272 1,990
273 1,986
274 1,984
275 1,980
276 1,968
277 1,966
278 1,966
279 1,939
280 1,932
281 1,915
282 1,909
283 1,907
284 1,906
285 1,899
286 1,889
287 1,885
288 1,877
289 1,873
290 1,869
291 1,866
292 1,866
293 1,865
294 1,859
295 1,847
296 1,847
297 1,846
298 1,844
299 1,833
300 1,831
301 1,828
302 1,826
303 1,812
304 1,799
305 1,789
306 1,780
307 1,779
308 1,778
309 1,775
310 1,773
311 1,770
312 1,767
313 1,764
314 1,749
315 1,736
316 1,735
317 1,718
318 1,717
319 1,716
320 1,713
321 1,711
322 1,707
323 1,703
324 1,698
325 1,691
326 1,677
327 1,668
328 1,667
329 1,655
330 1,650
331 1,626
332 1,626
333 1,625
334 1,617
335 1,607
336 1,602
337 1,600
338 1,585
339 1,583
340 1,581
341 1,576
342 1,575
343 1,575
344 1,571
345 1,564
346 1,560
347 1,552
348 1,537
349 1,535
350 1,523
351 1,520
352 1,480
353 1,470
354 1,459
355 1,459
356 1,447
357 1,447
358 1,446
359 1,446
360 1,439
361 1,431
362 1,429
363 1,425
364 1,417
365 1,417
366 1,414
367 1,413
368 1,411
369 1,397
370 1,397
371 1,390
372 1,387
373 1,375
374 1,338
375 1,329
376 1,323
377 1,319
378 1,318
379 1,316
380 1,306
381 1,300
382 1,296
383 1,283
384 1,277
385 1,265
386 1,264
387 1,264
388 1,256
389 1,256
390 1,253
391 1,251
392 1,251
393 1,244
394 1,243
395 1,242
396 1,234
397 1,216
398 1,216
399 1,215
400 1,215
401 1,209
402 1,204
403 1,197
404 1,195
405 1,192
406 1,189
407 1,185
408 1,182
409 1,178
410 1,171
411 1,163
412 1,145
413 1,130
414 1,119
415 1,114
416 1,106
417 1,092
418 1,087
419 1,086
420 1,081
421 1,072
422 1,070
423 1,067
424 1,063
425 1,058
426 1,055
427 1,047
428 1,046
429 1,031
430 1,031
431 1,026
432 1,022
433 1,022
434 1,015
435 1,007
436 1,007
437 991
438 977
439 964
440 952
441 939
442 934
443 925
444 924
445 918
446 910
447 898
448 893
449 888
450 878
451 866
452 864
453 839
454 836
455 820
456 807
457 806
458 796
459 790
460 784
461 774
462 771
463 759
464 755
465 746
466 745
467 739
468 720
469 712
470 707
471 704
472 704
473 692
474 683
475 681
476 680
477 672
478 670
479 666
480 666
481 666
482 665
483 663
484 647
485 643
486 643
487 642
488 622
489 615
490 615
491 605
492 600
493 600
494 598
495 584
496 581
497 579
498 567
499 565
500 547
501 544
502 539
503 538
504 537
505 528
506 527
507 523
508 513
509 509
510 508
511 495
512 491
513 488
514 482
515 468
516 464
517 456
518 455
519 444
520 444
521 443
522 437
523 433
524 421
525 420
526 420
527 414
528 399
529 383
530 382
531 378
532 372
533 355
534 352
535 336
536 332
537 320
538 306
539 292
540 268
541 265
542 262
543 228
544 223
545 206
546 205
547 189
548 189
549 176
550 172
551 164
552 162
553 159
554 157
555 140
556 139
557 138
558 130
559 127
560 124
561 123
562 118
563 113
564 102
565 97
566 65
567 63
568 52
569 52
570 51
571 36
572 24
573 24
574 22
575 5

303 total words

12:01 am

re8

12:02 am

to7

12:02 am

ve7

12:02 am

but man do i hate when there are so many re possibilities and mostly they don't work

12:02 am

but you have to try them anyway cause you don't know which ones WILL work

12:03 am

tr7

12:04 am

cr7 x 2

12:04 am

well re7 x 3 while we're at it

12:05 am

ac7

12:07 am

er7 & 8

12:08 am

ra7 x 2

12:09 am

ha8 called?

12:09 am

nope

12:13 am

Os Obliterated

12:13 am

want to get Es but that second column one is pretty baffling

12:13 am

ac 7 - hello everyone

ec7

12:16 am

en6

12:16 am

that'll be one of my Es

12:17 am

the ec7 i mean

12:17 am

have the en6, that was the only one i DID get

12:17 am

ro7

12:17 am

en6 x 2 from that one

12:18 am

ooooh then

Clues are up

12:22 am

Thanks, Lickety and hi all

12:24 am

ok got a second en6

12:26 am

it feels like that ac6-7 shouldn't be the only thing that starts wit those three letters but idk

12:26 am

only one more a from there so the odds are shrinking fast

12:26 am

I'd have NBT if it weren't for the Z's!

12:26 am

to 9

12:27 am

Gadget...nil

12:27 am

The z's really are nothing, gadget

12:27 am

the Zs are nothing

12:27 am

nbt, nbs

12:27 am

Oh man...how did I miss that! Thanks!

12:29 am

Es Eliminated!

12:30 am

Vs Vanquished!

12:30 am

re 9 called?

12:30 am

nope

12:31 am

name that proper noun! Desi

12:31 am

arnaz

12:31 am

ding ding ding!!!

12:32 am

only one measly A stands between me and Vowel Victory

12:33 am

(top A)

12:34 am

re8 x 2

12:35 am

x 3

12:37 am

to 8

12:38 am

Phantom orchard

12:38 am

re8 x 4

12:43 am

x5

2:51 am

ran ch

I tried Orchard too!

7:19 am

Ah, Dame Judy is in the grid. She is a great old broad.

7:19 am

Oops, Judi

7:19 am

Morning, Molly.

7:20 am

Hi Bea. What is on today's agenda?

7:22 am

Busy day. Master Gardeners Zoom meeting, Help get my wheelchair bound neighbor out for some fresh air. Take Emma to the vet in Raleigh for a laser treatment. While she is doing that, I will run to Trader Joes. I'm already tired...

7:24 am

morning

7:24 am

Morning, Harry.

7:24 am

Good morning, all.

7:25 am

nice looking grid!

7:25 am

It's been fun.

7:25 am

Morning, Judi.

7:27 am

Hi Judi. I was just mentioning Dame Judi and there you are. : D

7:27 am

Sounds exhausting Bea. You really do go for the gusto. : )

7:28 am

It is feast or famine.

7:28 am

Yeah. We dames like to stick together.

7:29 am

Judi, I'm sorry but I still have not been able to identify my fruit tree.

7:29 am

That is today's update.

7:30 am

Mystery fruit. We'll stay tuned for a possible identification in the future.

7:31 am

if it grows very tall and has a house on top, DON'T climb it!!!

7:31 am

Too bad the jam/jelly wasn't salvageable.

7:32 am

lol. Always good advice, Harry.

7:32 am

Presuming she didn't buy the beans in the first place.

7:34 am

in my gardening club back in NJ I had a mystery plant growing in my plot. I finally uprooted it and it was a beautiful daikon! Must have grown from the communal compost.

7:38 am

Anyone have a clue for the RE9?

7:42 am

Uhg. So stuffy today. Last time we sleep with the windows open. Pollen just flew in.

7:43 am

to make stiffer again, Judi.

7:45 am

* blank stare *

7:46 am

That is the re8/9

7:47 am

Which R does it start with?

7:47 am

Lower right

7:48 am

Ty. Looking.

7:48 am

Got it. Duh. Thanks.

7:48 am

Time for a break. 175 left.

7:56 am

nbt. 116 left - gotta go give a test. bbl!

8:02 am

hi all, back from laundromat and market.

8:02 am

77 left here...time to get ready for the day.

8:02 am

not getting the clue for the re8/9

8:03 am

207 here

8:03 am

re -h7.36

8:04 am

ty Bea and Deeha

Hi all. Hope everyone is staying safe. Can anyone clue a Z please?

8:07 am

nada. nil. zilch.

8:07 am

nothing ... in fact ... there are three nothings

8:07 am

ty dose, was blind to those

8:08 am

that rhymes

8:08 am

ty harry

Duh. Can't believe I didn't see those. Thanks Harry

8:13 am

100 to go! this is getting tougher. later!

8:17 am

fw

8:17 am

... well done

8:17 am

Cheers!

8:29 am

good morning, everyone :)

8:30 am

Good Day everyone!

8:30 am

hi nan

8:31 am

hi cad

8:34 am

which e for the er8?

8:35 am

one of the top 2 on the left

8:36 am

ty peri

8:36 am

nbt, nbs thanks to bea's clue for the 9

8:40 am

hi all. any clues for the E second column? ty

8:42 am

I think it is en6x2

8:42 am

mkg I think its enc

8:43 am

en6

8:43 am

en 6 x2

8:43 am

snap nan

8:44 am

ty. not seeing it but will try to find it. en + a 4 letter word.

8:44 am

bbl

8:45 am

nan can you give me meaning for one of the en 6's? ty

8:47 am

en + money

8:47 am

ty. looking

8:47 am

got it! ty ty

8:47 am

change the last letter of that for another en 6....

8:47 am

got other one too now. ty.

8:48 am

yw...

8:48 am

Too bad able isn't in the grid. Then we would have enable.

8:48 am

yw

I am still stuck on the E in the 4th row, 4th column

Any clues???

8:50 am

to get paid for work.....you **** money....

8:50 am

re and h7/?

8:50 am

es 5/12

Thanks penquis, and nan

8:51 am

yw...

8:51 am

I got the re8/9

8:53 am

all of the others from that e are derivatives of the ea 4

8:53 am

i have 3 ea words that go together

8:54 am

there is a fourth from that combo??

8:55 am

yes

8:55 am

i have 4 words now

8:55 am

ea

8:55 am

ea 6,6,5,4

8:56 am

i gtg will be back...

8:56 am

* sorry - the 4 should come first

8:56 am

there is an ea4 at the end too

8:56 am

oh...i do have those....

8:57 am

ty, nan....

8:57 am

then you can do it all again, pen

8:58 am

ah yes...ty....

8:59 am

they are repaving the parking area right near my place and I can't go anywhere....noise is giving me a headache....

9:05 am

probably the fumes from the hot tar are giving you the headache

9:06 am

it's a thought.....i do have windows closed....

9:06 am

are you self-isolating, that you can't go out?

9:07 am

yes....but also, not sure I could even get my car out of where it's parked....

9:08 am

I think they started on my end of the lot....hopefully, the noise will go down when they move away a little....

9:08 am

hope you haven't tested positive, pen

9:08 am

no, not me, thanks....

9:09 am

hope you stay well then

9:09 am

I did go out yesterday for a tennis lesson....one on one....no one in adjoining courts.....no touching balls.....felt safe....

9:09 am

ty, you, too....

9:25 am

time to start my day - back later for the last 99

9:26 am

bye, nan....

9:26 am

i am heading out as well....bbl to work on the last 59....bye all....

well, managed to make it 117 left, did not get to halfway for each tile, did gray 3 very small ones. maybe I'll be back later, maybe not.

112, always see more on my way out. TTFN

9:39 am

found another ea4

9:40 am

There are four of them.

9:43 am

90!

9:43 am

tough going

9:49 am

hi all

9:50 am

Who knew we would get to a point where someone "felt safe" playing tennis?

9:51 am

hi jmc

9:51 am

Just found an 8/9 combo by ‘accident’

9:51 am

wtg jax

9:51 am

you mean re/

9:52 am

gj jax

9:53 am

Yes. I didn’t specify what it was, just I found 1

9:54 am

haha

9:54 am

you didn't need to specify I just thought ti might be lol

9:54 am

LOL just found that myself!

9:55 am

That is the way I found the other 8/9 combo...by accident.

9:55 am

I only have the re

9:55 am

I ne** more accudents

9:57 am

of the word kin

9:57 am

knd

9:57 am

Good morning! Any of my dream interpretation peeps in the house? I had a wacko dream last night that I cannot put my senses around.

9:57 am

hi car!

9:57 am

let's he** it car

hi car! have you seen heard the NPR podcast on dreams in the time of corona? lots of wacko ones.

9:58 am

Have you tried any of the dream interpretation sites? They can usually steer you in the right direction.

9:58 am

their are books about dreams too

9:59 am

I just want to listen to the dream

me too

9:59 am

Dream voyeurs : D

10:00 am

yep

10:00 am

owl is that on acorn?

10:00 am

8)

fan: huh?

10:01 am

I will tell you just the dream details first. Then, if needed, the background on the person in the dream.

NPR = national public radio

10:01 am

the podcasr TO

10:02 am

There are also a lot of articles on line about people having weird dreams during COVID. A natural response to surreal conditions.

10:03 am

owl I used to get magazines from some npr radio it had a lot fo neat things in them t shirts books etc

10:03 am

Dreams generally get weird with major lifestyle chjanges.

10:04 am

I went to a pound, of sorts, with my friend and her husband to adopt a dog. It reminded me of a junkyard setting, but not messy. the dogs were all in these stacks of cages but you couldn't see the dogs until the front cover of the cages lifted up. They had a specific dog in mind, but then ended up seeing another dog they fell in love with. The dog had been addicted to heroin and was rehabbed. That was the one they selected. GO....

10:04 am

Also, people are staying at home more than they used to and that is not always a good thing. I have a friend who said she is suffering from TMH. Too Much Husband.

10:05 am

anchor not acorn sorry

10:06 am

A dog addicted to heroin is a nice twist. I'm guessing that whoever the dream is about has some form of addiction touching her life.

10:06 am

nope

10:06 am

I would say that you are concerned your friends are taking a really difficult problem that they do not necessarily ne** to take. Possibiliy helping some one with major issues.

10:07 am

how did you react to their choice?

addiction is much in the news, so it could bublle up with other things,if the dream is generalized anxiety.

10:07 am

Five stars for JMC's analysis

10:09 am

*curtsies and puts soap bubble pipe in mouth*

10:09 am

how does a dog get addicted to heroin?

freud was in the grid yesterday, if you noticed.

it stars with smoking pot

10:10 am

it just takes once, ru

10:10 am

Ok..let me give you the background. Her mother just died. Her extended family (uncle and stepfather) did not tell her until after her mother had passed, so she did not get to say good bye. They even told her that she and her family would have to wait in the parking lot while they went in the funeral home for the 10-person service. She is the only child her mother had. There are years of manipulative and hurtful behavior from that extended family. Someone close to her told her to play nice at the funeral. There would be other opportunities to confront them in this process (will, etc.)

10:10 am

How does a dog get hooked on heroin?

10:10 am

bichon frise-basing?

10:10 am

This is my amateur analysis but I wanted some input before I said anything to her about it.

10:11 am

Dog could have been used in drug trial studies.

10:11 am

I think in some way it might have been her mother reaching out to me. She wants her daughter to just walk away. Take the brokeness and make peace with it.

interesting.

10:12 am

It will be the only way she can truly heal and move on with her immediate family.

10:12 am

I especially think this since in the dream they had a dog picked out but then chose this one

10:14 am

so glad my dog isn't a junkie.. needles make me queasy

10:15 am

When I watched my daughter's dog, I had to give him insulin

10:16 am

I really wish if people are going to reach out from the great beyond they would do it in clearer ways.

10:16 am

No shit.

10:17 am

"Hi! It's me! I need to tell you something...."

10:17 am

oh this is one of THOSE stories

10:17 am

Personally, I would have nothing to do with a family that cruel. I don't know why anyone would.

10:18 am

Exactly...and this is her chance now to just walk away from it all

10:19 am

could anyone please me clue me the last RE8 -50 please. Or at least give me the 3rd letter.

10:20 am

scientific work in the lab, Sandie

10:21 am

an effort to discover

10:21 am

Thank you xx

10:21 am

yvw .

10:31 am

Was there any sort of rift between your friend and her mother that would make the family want to keep her away?

10:32 am

mear

10:32 am

oops sorry

10:36 am

would love soome stats and clues for the v words. only have ve 4 7

10:38 am

start in the right direction with ve6.30 and its plural. Need to scoot.. Happy babbling all.

10:38 am

ve 4/7 x 2, ve 6/30, 7/44

10:40 am

ty looking

10:40 am

any meanings welcome.

10:40 am

ve 5/16

10:40 am

still missing 3

10:40 am

ve5/16 & ve6/27

10:40 am

why isnt zane a word? i dont get it.

10:41 am

chris any clues? ty

10:41 am

just found the 6/27

10:41 am

nan any clues welcome

10:41 am

ve6/27 teeth cover. ve5/16 pl of ve4/7

10:42 am

lol - to each his own -- was thinking surface layer on a sheet of plywood

10:42 am

Just talked to my friend. She is very happy that I shared the dream with her.

10:42 am

ty. got ve 6 27

10:43 am

And I now truly have a sense that my "job" has been completed.

10:44 am

more clues for other v words welcome.

10:44 am

ty

10:45 am

maybe try some yourself mkg

10:46 am

phantom: camera

10:46 am

car i also tried that.......and camero is not a word. it is a car.

10:46 am

trying.

10:47 am

That's FW for me...

10:47 am

Well done! Congrats!

mascara is my phantom

10:47 am

See you all tomorrow...

10:47 am

yeah bea! wtg!

10:47 am

Oooh! My fave car! I had a white Camaro with t-tops! I was all that and a bag of chips in that car!

10:48 am

yup

10:49 am

Turns out, it was a limited edition...never knew it at the time. Instead of red interior, it had a lovely cream colored inside!

10:52 am

at least i closed out the r's now

10:54 am

Ok...off to bake cookies! Have a great day everyone!

10:58 am

enough of this - heading to the list

10:59 am

send me a cookie car.

11:00 am

morning all

11:00 am

did everyone see that Floyds fiance said he would be horrified by the rioting? he was a peaceful person. how sad.

11:01 am

i wish we had some black leaders who preached peaceful demonstrating...my son and wife went to a peaceful "sit in" in brooklyn protesting the police violence.

11:02 am

if the cop who killed floyd wasnt arrested for murder, then i would feel the riots were called for. but what do the rioters want??????he was arrested for murder!

11:03 am

had to drop out just at the crucial time. Car I think it is you that wants her to walk away and I think you are right. She should just leave that dog alone.

11:03 am

Did I miss Snuffy?

11:03 am

respectfully, mkg. we did have peaceful protests - LOTS of them. What happened when Colin Kapernick took a knee?

11:04 am

mkg he was charged with a lesser charge than first degree murder and basically this is not the first murder by cop. They want it to stop. completely.

11:04 am

mkg they want murder one and he deserves it

11:04 am

yes there have been thankfully so many peaceful protests.

11:04 am

DC was mostly peaceful until the event at St. Johns.

11:05 am

he should get murder one. i have been stopped for a ticket by cops who are so brutal and obnoxious and scarey that i am shocked.

11:05 am

What trump did to the peaceful protesters in DC is so awful.

11:05 am

anyway I while I normally LOVE to talk politics with you guys even when I disagree I came for escape today.

11:05 am

so cops approach the public as if we are all murders and guilty and it is horrible

11:06 am

sorry jmcnrick

11:06 am

on to the grid.

11:06 am

mkg -- the rioters are not the protesters, they are a bunch of thugs and thieves taking advantage of the situation. I would wager that most of the rioters have criminal records

11:06 am

i wanted to get to only 100 left but cant manage it yet

11:06 am

nan you are so right

11:06 am

140 to go

11:06 am

no not at all. I appreciate people feeling they can talk about anything here

11:06 am

27 here but poking along

11:07 am

if any of you want to read an interesting column, in the Boston Globe, the columnist Jeff Jacoby wrote some interesting stuff.

11:07 am

almost done ru

11:07 am

only 27? go ruru!

11:07 am

the destruction a block from my house night before last was not anything to do with the protests 5 miles away

11:07 am

go ru!

Hello! I don't even comment here, but since you asked. There is a stark difference between those who are rioting and those who are protesting. Those protesting, (including me 3 times this week, very peacefully) are focused on much, much more than just the arrest of one officer, but a systemic and continuously entrenched racist approach to policing. It goes to the disparity in the legal system, education and even health. There is so much to unpack here. As a black woman, not one day goes by without me experiencing racism either directly or indirectly. We can never turn it off. Whether its finding ourselves counted out in the workplace, being labeled "as not as good as", or even having to worry about our sons and daughters just being human in America. The protests are not limited to just one finite thing, but years and years of constant reminders that there are more obstacles for us, then others.

11:07 am

and after the stunt he pulled yesterday with the bible act, I think Trump is the biggest thug of all

11:07 am

I recommend Colbert King in the Wash Post

11:08 am

I agree with you misstearweus

11:08 am

good for you misstear. I thank you. I try to support you.

11:09 am

As do I

11:09 am

absolutely misstear

11:09 am

very eloquently said, misstear.

11:10 am

Very well said misstearweus. My attitude is under renovation. Can't continue sitting on the sidelines and hoping for better...

11:11 am

interesting name misstearweus......are you a magician? or very strange???????? cute name

11:11 am

reearn

11:12 am

ty bo...needed that one :)

11:12 am

ty bojazz

and just to paint a pic, not all the protestors are young. I'm an established executive, with a healthy slice of the American dream, well into my 40s. I locked hands with those even older than me this weekend. Many of these young folks helped us older folks to get the courage to be vocal in a different way. I work hard to bring other black and brown people along at work and in my community. It felt very cathartic to chant and kneel. Since I was girl, the pain sometimes, just makes you, like Marvin said "wanna holla"

Not a magician mkg, a vapor from my sorority days. :)

11:13 am

Marvin captured it perfectly.

11:13 am

misstear, you are so right as to the issues. I live outside of washington DC and I believe there are more middle and upper middle class blacks in our area than elsewhere because of the government jobs. but you are right that there is still a way to go until people are "colorblind".

11:14 am

well we are glad you jumped into the conversation. I think Babbleland is one of the most open places I have ever participated.

11:14 am

who is marvin???????

11:14 am

Marvin Gaye

11:14 am

well I am happy that you did join our chat.

11:14 am

I miss Marvin.

11:14 am

ok marvin gaye.....ok.

and personally, my hope is that we are NOT colorblind, but can get to a place where each of our color and background is revered and celebrated! ---mkg, Marvin Gaye. :)

11:15 am

Well said again misstear

I have a very colorful family. I cherish each background, upbringing and vibrant culture each of them brings. See me and black woman and say, "hello, great to have your unique thoughts, experiences and background at the table!"

11:16 am

I was raised color blind but realized that was a rejection of people who are different than I am. Not my goal.

11:16 am

i believe that most police forces need to have real education for their cops about how to greet the public. Even as a white person, they come across so rough and tough and scarey most of the time. They view all people as criminals. In their heads we are all guilty until proven innocent. And sometimes the police women are even worse........

I do the same with others.

11:17 am

mkg there was an extensive study in the 1970s that said just that--training made all the difference. But almost no police departments do more than a perfunctory training.

11:17 am

what i mean by color blind is that we see people as individuals and not anything else. that is how i go through life. and each person should be totally valued for who and what they are.

thanks for listening, as I think this movement is what its all about. Less hostility, more listening and more understanding. I do love the open dialogue that I have with my friends and family. I have bi-racial nieces and nephews that I want to make sure I live up to the promise our family unions have created.

11:18 am

it is time we protest with signs saying "educate your police force so that no more lives are snuffed out".....?

11:18 am

misstearweus, please continue to be included in the chat........ok?

11:18 am

go for it mkg.

11:18 am

Malcolm Gladwell's "Talking to Strangers" grappled with this issue, Sandra Bland debacle. Good read.

11:19 am

my hubby told me of a very interesting study with babies:

sure thing...I have cautiously read them these last few days coming here to tune out the pain and anguish. For almost 20 years now, I come here to cancel the world and relax. :)

11:20 am

we just have so far to go in this country.. i thought it was getting better but now it's worse than ever

roru, now its just being exposed due to phone cameras. Those of us who live it everyday really don't see it as worse. Now there is more proof to show the rest of the world. For every Aubery, there are hundreds that go unreported and swept under the rug do to the good old boy network.

11:23 am

We live in an area where there are very few coloured folk, yet we also have police brutality. It stems from frustration with "slap on the wrist" judges as well growing misconduct among the population. I don't think police training should be confined to racial attitudes. As I have said before, a good start would be to weed out the bullies before they even get into the law enforcement schools.

11:23 am

true.. i have a friend who like you is an executive and drives a nice car and gets pulled over all the time, even though he is in an expensive suit and is as classy as they come

I have two brothers, they live on opposite coasts and I wear my head shaved. ALL OF US have been stopped by police, mistaken identity detained, etc. All college educated, military and law abiding citizens.

11:24 am

i get it..

Iast year, I went jogging near work. I have never jogged through the neighborhood. I got stung by a bee and had to sit. Someone called the police. They rolled up and asked me why I was there. Mind you, Im in about $200 worth of Lulelemon. Couldn't even attend to my wound.

The officer was nice, but why would a home owner call the police on me. I had nothing in my hands and am in full on run gear and ear buds. And you cannot go crying about it once you get back to work.

so you hold on to things, over and over again. Before you know it, you marching, chanting and kneeling.

and to paint the picture, I do live in Georgia

11:27 am

oh.. that makes it clearer

11:28 am

I have no words

11:30 am

I don't understand why the homeowner didn't come out and just ask you what was wrong. I just don't know where our compassion has gone.

11:31 am

Miss tear, thank you for your remarks. I believe that the constant level of stress that people of color experience is why they have more hypertension and related health problems

In December I was on a cruise ship. I bought a tix for the slide, but it was closed. Went the next day, new white attendant. He said I had to buy a tix. I told him I got one the day before. He demanded he see it. I stepped out of line and the white family behind me said the same thing. He let them go on by. Meanwhile I had to trek back to my room to show him my tix. Same thing happened each time I went to access the VIP section of the boat, which I paid for. I'd get stopped, have to show my credentials. White families, just breezed on through. I can go on and on...this is the reality of some many black people.

Agreed Tabbycat. Been on HBP pills since I was 29, and I'm healthy...which is why I justify Lululemon's prices! LOL!

11:32 am

why are luluemon clothes so expensive (not to change the subject/ but want to know?)

I travel for work...90% I get stopped to prove I have a first class tickets to access the VIP security line. Sometimes, I'm even with my white co-workers in a group, I'll still get stopped...*sigh* We have to grin and bear it, because as soon as we express our outrage, we're angry black people.

Good segue ruru, wish I knew and didn't have such a habit!!!

11:34 am

i see it at the airports all the time misst it's true

11:36 am

because fools like me keep buying the damned brand..cant help it...love lulu

what can help is when you see it happening, say something! I see my white sister in laws, exhausting themselves doing it. I sometimes have to tell them, it's OK to take a break from it, somedays, I just don't have the energy. What they say? "My son (or daughter) will be seen as black when they grow up, and I can't stand knowing they will be treated this way." When you intervene, it says, no it's not OK for me to be granted access with ease, while you deny others.

<---fool too IndiaJan

Between my Peloton, Lululemon and Fabletics, I have achieved complete fitness suckerdom.

11:37 am

great idea miss.. i will do that.

It makes my day, when white people have spoken up. It says, hey, I see you.

I can't even express how invisible you feel when people just don't even acknowledge the disrespect

11:41 am

the rioting clouds the issue I bet for a lot of middle america, but I think the message this time is pretty loud and clear

11:42 am

what's the message you're getting ?

11:42 am

we need more powerful white people to speak up we need a president to say this isn't ok and black lives matte

agreed. The rioting hurts my heart, because for the 1000th time, the focus goes to they are violent, restless destructive people, further perpetuating the idea that black people have to be policed differently.

Takes away from the vast majority of the peaceful protesting.

11:44 am

Interesting. The message I'm seeing is that law enforcement needs better education and also more hands-on mental health, more anger management screening, more psych screening to start with.

11:44 am

the message I'm getting Helen is that things have not changed, that this racism is everywhere and people are dying.

11:44 am

Oh, things have indeed changed, and for the worse.

11:45 am

we need more mental health evaluations for police officers that is for sure

11:45 am

it has gotten worse.. or maybe more blatantly obvious

There are white americans who take in these images and see a fitness freak sitting on a curb nursing bee sting, and say, "oh no, my neighborhood is not safe. Let me call 911."

11:46 am

i would have come out to help

11:46 am

I can't tell you how many times, I've sat on public transportation & exchanged glances with older black people about how teens & 20's kids act, mostly black, because they're showing the most attitude.

11:47 am

Then we start to have a conversation. I feel so bad for these elderly people who remember The March on Washington & what the vibe was then.

and Ruru, can you believe the very same thing happened to me when i was in highschool in VA back in the 90s. A woman called the police because I stopped on a bench. I had a backpack and my field hockey stick. Full circle.

11:48 am

True, people need to look at all other people by how they comport themselves, not by anything else.

helen, I'm with you. I've been there. so many kids black and white have attitudes and bad ones. They can be a nuisance and even threatening. I move away from them, ready for the ride to be over. I do not however, believe they should be mistreated by the police.

11:49 am

I wish that would do more good than it does. I remember being on a walking tour in London. I had been talking with a another woman that was on the tour when a man from New Orleans sat down with us. I asked him about the reconstruction (this was following Katrina) and he replied that it was all done. I said I had just read the previous that there was a huge section of the city where the debris hadn't even been picked up yet and so assumed it was an old report. His reply was "oh no -- we don't care if those areas ever get cleaned up. We don't want those people back. AT which point I got up and escused myself saying I didn't wish to sit with bigots and went to the next table where my husband was sitting with another couple who we had earlier learned were workmates from the Bank of Scotland. The icing on the cake is that one of them was a woman of colour. However when I looked back at the table I had left, the guy just shrugged and turned his back on me.

11:51 am

* I guess he didn't see the steam coming out of my ears

one act at at time, creates a title wave (remember the ballpark). Doing it over and over again, creates habit, and over time, shames those who continue bad behavior.

That is how women's right and male chauvenism was changed over the last half of the the 20th century. We went from girls, broads and little ladies, to women with respect and power.

We have a ways to go, but we are definitely not characters from the 40s and 50s silverscreen anymore.

11:53 am

you should chat more often miss

did I mention I'm a public speaker...? :)

11:54 am

:D

11:54 am

Another thing that can be changed is education, especially history. The straight out truth needs to be told & taught, not just about America's horrible history, but how the pattern of rich oppressing poor, strong oppressing weak, is a global problem. Kids today don't seem to have any worldliness about themselves.

11:55 am

In painful detail.

11:55 am

I'm seeing some backsliding on women's rights

11:56 am

Tab - that's what happens when things start getting taken for granted. Vigilance is what's needed to ensure forward progress.

Agreed. The assault starts early for young black people. The first thing you learn about your history as a kid is, "your ancestors were slaves." Can you wrap your head around the pathology from there? Yes, there was emancipation, but you were in bondage for 300 years. You spend the rest of your education learning more about your contribution and impact on the world.

11:57 am

Try this on for size: My parents were slaves.

me too Tabbycat2, gotta stay vigilant. I was on a conference call the other day. White male leader, called his colleagues wife, "little lady". I growled under my breath.

Helen: and I'm sure that does something to you right? it adds to your fervor to excel, be your best and avoid control at all costs.

12:00 pm

When foreigners come into your country, speaking a foreign language, abduct you, take you back to their country, force you to work for no pay, very little food . . . that's slavery. That's what happened to Poland & other small European nations from the start of WWII. My mother abducted to Germany, my father to Siberia.

12:01 pm

And, yes, it did do something: Exactly what you said. Plus, depression, anxiety . . .

12:03 pm

Human trafficking continues right now. Awareness is the first step. Then pounding in that awareness, so people don't put it on the back burner.

Agreed. And that's the type of feeling that builds up over time, it can create depression and even hostility. That experience and perspective should be welcomed to the table, and included as part of the American fabric. I miss the value by turning a "colorblind" eye to your experience and lumping it in with all white americans. Instead, I cherish the dialogue and richness it would bring to a project, a conversation and a community.

white is so many things, black is so many things, asian is so many things, etc. When we open ourselves up to the endless spectrums within those colors and cultures, we really see all the wonderful differences and the endless similarities.

and with that, I have a date with a sandwich and a pop. Happy Babbling ya'll.

12:07 pm

Thanks. So happy you see that. It's hard for me to convince people that I'm not being dismissive of color issues, just that I look at all this from a European perspective, not an American one. I don't feel guilty for the slavery here, I am angry about slavery in other places. It's all the same thing. Some white Americans need to deal with what their ancestry did first.

12:07 pm

i hope by pop you mean your dad or grandad :D

12:07 pm

Good talk, stay safe.

pop=Dr. Pepper (my midwest side of the family coming out...) :)

12:08 pm

down with soda!

12:09 pm

I drink diet soda because its the only sweet think I can consume

12:10 pm

the aspartame in diet soda means that drinking 1 can per day increases your risk of cancer as much as smoking does

12:10 pm

hi again! lunch break here. I drink Coke Zero because I don't have a lot of vices and I enjoy soda.

12:11 pm

I don't think there has been any actual proof that aspartame causes cancer.

12:11 pm

It's the only thing I can eat/drink that makes me happy

12:13 pm

https://tinyurl.com/y5wvy9du

12:14 pm

weird, i thought i read an article a couple years ago that said that it does - i mean, a reputable article. but now i don't see it. however, systemic racism, along with climate change and many other ills, are fueled primarily by large corporations' desire to maintain the status quo of society. so, the less we buy from them, the better.

12:14 pm

bichon, are you diabetic? is that why?

friend who drank constantly says his oncologist confirmed that no matter the propaganda, his kidney cancer was, if not a direct cause, a big predisposing factor.

sorry, by his drinking of diet soda.

that did not come out right, but i think you get the drift.

12:17 pm

aha, vindicated by hearsay from an oncologist!

12:17 pm

how much did he drink? and did he have that PKU?

i don't think it's exactly hearsay. i think it's anecdotal evidence.

12:17 pm

yeah, I always trust anecdotal hearsay. (no offense, TO)

12:18 pm

Yes, I am hurshy. The only sweets I consume is diet soda. Lower on the carbs

no plu. it was his beverage of choice. we know lots of folks for whom soda of some kind is the beverage of choice.

i don't trust anything i hear via the net. anywhere.

including here

12:19 pm

my oldest bro is diabetic and has been drinking diet soft drinks for over 30 years with no problem, if you want some more anecdotal evidence. ;)

12:19 pm

i was just being humorous about the fact that while i do feel vindicated by it, obviously there is an element of the game of telephone here which makes it impossible for anyone to be convinced by that. :D

12:19 pm

me either, TO.

no one is on the net to be convinced.

12:20 pm

yeah, but some people (like my mom on FB) seem to fall for everything

12:20 pm

On thing I suggest: there are amazing biographies of the wealthy like Henry Ford, Vanderbuilt, Carnegie etc. and it shows how they were rich and their workers were living in horrible poverty.

12:20 pm

in hindsight, maybe the terms "net" and "web" should have forewarned us

people are on the net for many reasons

12:20 pm

There is something about many many males which is that they tend to be all for themselves and for no one else. They totally lack empathy and sympathy in their genes.

people are mostly on the net to reinforce their existing values. or to show them off.

time to plant the garden. poor tomatoes are sitting in their little pots.

12:22 pm

well, I still have 90 words left. don't think I found one on my lunch break. now back to my painting touch-ups and then I will be finished with this project! nice chatting. TTFN.

12:23 pm

I read the one of the things religion tries to do is get Man to be less selfish and to have empathy and sympathy. If only religion or anything could imbue man with the empathy gene......i believe women have it in order to nurture their children but many males just dont have much of it. And I know that you will say there are plenty of men who do have it, and I agree: my sons, my husband, my son in laws...etc. but unfortunately there are so so many males who dont have it.....

12:23 pm

oops sorry the chat moved on and i didnt. i am sorry

12:28 pm

hi again - new patio almost finished - just went out for final inspections :)

12:29 pm

sounds nice nan

12:31 pm

phantom: cheese

12:32 pm

phantom: mecca

12:37 pm

phantom: sneeze

12:38 pm

My water heater has died :-(

12:38 pm

;(

12:38 pm

should we send flowers?

12:38 pm

yeah water lilies

12:38 pm

The service is pending :D

12:39 pm

wow, i really gave you the perfect setup for a great pun there, ru

12:39 pm

you did indeed

12:44 pm

I'm thinking about getting an electric on-demand one.

12:44 pm

that shows you movies in the shower?

12:44 pm

my ex has one of those and loves it

12:45 pm

i try to be not so demanding but that's me

12:45 pm

they are pretty good origmi but you have to have patience for the warm water

12:46 pm

Did not enjoy my cold shower this morning.

12:49 pm

you'd be completely in the cold then ru

12:50 pm

240 down.....wanna finish this sucker!

12:51 pm

go une go

12:51 pm

last re 8 please?

12:51 pm

22 left here and i only keep seeing words i already have

12:51 pm

scientists do re8, nan

12:52 pm

i bet that was cold ori

12:53 pm

Tx hursh!

12:53 pm

jmc - I was reading about them and I think in my climate the water doesn't take long to heat.

12:54 pm

ty hurshy - going word blind he4

12:54 pm

np

12:54 pm

I didn't dawdle in there, ru :D

12:54 pm

bet you didn't know you could scrub that fast did you

12:54 pm

dawdle is a good word

12:56 pm

Nor did I dilly-dally :D

12:56 pm

i might dilly, but i wouldn't dally

jmc here?

12:57 pm

as long as you weren't all higgeldy piggedly about it ori :D

12:57 pm

:D

12:58 pm

No lollygagging in the shower!

12:58 pm

unless it's consensual

12:59 pm

:D

1:02 pm

in and outTO

1:02 pm

do you know how much electricity they use ori?

1:05 pm

I believe they use less energy than either a gas or electric tank heater. One advantage is that they don't need venting like the gas ones. And we have publicly owned electric service here, so the rates are pretty good.

1:06 pm

Ooo, shower shenanigans

1:07 pm

but don't you still need a hot water heater for the washer and dishwasher?

1:07 pm

or will all the appliances, sinks, etc. be connected to it?

1:07 pm

sorry about your water heater origami.. ours died a few weeks ago to the tune of eleven hundred bucks

1:07 pm

Yes, but it would service them also.

1:08 pm

Yikes mom

1:08 pm

ok, so it a household one, not one just for the shower

1:09 pm

Yes, a household one.

1:10 pm

all that kind of stuff has gone way up in price in the last few years. We had a 30 year gap between house building and renos on the new place --- was that ever a shock

1:11 pm

My 10 grand kitchen from 1990 cost 35 grand to replace.

1:12 pm

Jeeze, my parents paid 35,000 for their first 4-bedroom house back in the 70's

1:12 pm

my dad paid $17,000 for his first house

1:12 pm

it's now worth $850,000

1:12 pm

lol molly -- we built our first house for 18,000 in 1967

1:13 pm

Today that house is worth almost 500,000

1:14 pm

i don't think i could ever survive trying to build a house now

1:14 pm

when we moved back here in 1990 the people who bought it offered to sell it back to us for 1.5 million

1:15 pm

it seems in our absence view property came into demand and we had an acre of it.

1:16 pm

stuck on the second de 7/36 ??

1:17 pm

you usually see it as a pt meaning died

1:18 pm

or dead

1:18 pm

thanks cybernan

1:19 pm

yw

1:20 pm

ec 6/39 please?

1:21 pm

ec 6... a skin problem no one wants

1:21 pm

skin disorder

1:22 pm

ty sam and ru

1:23 pm

*!*~*!* thanks for the help :)

1:23 pm

w..

1:25 pm

must go and see if the patio has dried yet -- anxious to get the excess polymer sand swept off and the furniture and flowerpots out.

1:29 pm

we have fireworks !! off to lunch hagd all

i keep seeing echo, and it's just not there.

1:36 pm

Me too!

1:37 pm

echo echo echo

1:38 pm

congrats on the baby girl, matty! She's beautiful! Also, change the last vowel & pl on your phantom, lol.

1:38 pm

wtg sammys

I actually have the non-phantom, thanks! And thank you - I really must change the picture - she's at home now (in Australia) and gaining weight and healthy - you'd never know now how traumatic her first days were

Also, randomly echidna. Also not there.

1:41 pm

I want to see a picture of Grandma and Tilly

So do I.

Maybe...November? December?

Sarah sent me a mug with Tilly on it (well, pictures of Tilly. The alternative is horrifying.)

Now I have the Who song Pictures of Lily in my head. Which is about something entirely different.

I keep seeing cheese as well (in the grid)

1:47 pm

lol, yeah, a phantom for me as well.

1:57 pm

has anyone else tried "shart?"

1:58 pm

no ... but you can change the final consonent to either of two consonants and to a vowel and get something

1:59 pm

just so, dos, ty!

2:04 pm

nerv e

2:05 pm

ty dose

2:05 pm

ty haz

2:05 pm

... most welcome

hello haz and hello jmc

jmc how are you feeling today?

2:10 pm

better thanks. definitely on the mend

glad to hear

was there damage tot he commercial area up there?

2:12 pm

yes. but pretty clear it had nothing to do with the protest except to give an excuse.

2:12 pm

The store one block from my house they smashed the window but the only place they stole from that I know is the CVS==presription drugs

yikes! glad your food source sounds ok

wondering what people will do when they have to cook a meal for a family. thinking the looters do not have that responsibility.

2:14 pm

even downtown the places that go smashed night before last were a CVS and clothing stores. The IMF and World Bank were untouched. That speaks volumes for who and why looting occured.

here, they hit food stores and are blowing up ATMs. one guy died doing that.

2:16 pm

the thieves are mainly teenage and young men

2:16 pm

again blowing up an ATM is a crime of opportunity not protest that BLM.

starbucks was burned, i took that as a political statement. high end stores - the stuff you and i think are high priced crap- were cleaned out.

2:17 pm

bet they are for sale cheap at markets this weekend

you know it.

but food stores...there is a food desert in west philly and they hit the only supermarket.

2:18 pm

Sorry you guys are having that happen in your area. The protests have been largely peaceful here. There is a curfew in place and the National Guard is here.

i feel so bad for the local businesses. west philly was vibrant.

2:19 pm

I have to go get some food. Back later.

well i am glad to see you and hear you are better. i have to finish planting. by the time i decide how to lay out this garden, it will be fall.

and i guess i missed haz. oh well.

2:48 pm

rehi, back for my last 33...or some portion thereof

2:48 pm

... and done ... may I offer any clues for anyone? ...

2:48 pm

yes, can you explain strange matter?

2:50 pm

... which strange matter do you refer to? There are so many.

2:53 pm

... or are you looking for an astrophysical explanation of neutron stars ... in which case "strange" is just a name ... a strange quark is no more strange than and "up" quark is "up" ... or a "charmed" quark is charming ... ask uusue the next time she's on ... she knows all about that stuff

2:54 pm

...'til next time, good luck to all who continue the struggle ... .

3:04 pm

Are you guys for real with this conversation?

3:07 pm

cool

molly, I think you meant "fo reelz"

3:29 pm

Ha, hokie!

IKR

3:30 pm

:D

just found the 2nd spelling of the russian ruler. if it's not one tripping me up it's the other

3:40 pm

My goodness. Horrific scenes being shown on TV here of protesting, rioting and looting in the US. President Trump not being represented in a positive light. I hope all my US friends are safe and well.

3:47 pm

are there any words using both C's?

yes, one said in the chat earlier re: smoking

3:47 pm

most of us are fine. But the cities are areas where one is not necessarily safe.

3:48 pm

ty got the ca word for what you get from smoking..

I am not near a downtown but am close to an outlet mall and all the shopping around that. there has been some damage at some stores, but it is worse downtown.

just found ce4/6 with both c's

3:50 pm

wow carla. wow

3:50 pm

I would think it's very difficult to put Trump in any kind of positive light actually

3:50 pm

I always try cece (as in chickpeas), but not valid.

3:50 pm

i got it too

3:51 pm

Stay safe, fellow Babblers. (As if there wasn't enough to be worrying about with this wretched plague).

you'd be surprised ru, at the people that can still do it

3:52 pm

astro not in dict??????

I would consider it a prefix, but there are other words accepted that I would think are too

3:54 pm

i still have only 2 V words. need clues please with stats. ty. i have ve 4 7 and another ve 6 27 that is a top layer on furniture

3:54 pm

For once we agree Ruru. I was attempting to be diplomatic. I know politics is a tricky subject on Babble.

I only have 5. there is another ve4/7 that carries blood, ve6/30 & 7/44 "a ve* of disease"

3:56 pm

Using the Bible as a prop in front of St. Johns hit a new low.

3:57 pm

no, tear gasing people to get them out of the way so he could stand in front of the church holding an upsidedown Bible was the low. The photo op itself was not ne**ly as bad.

3:57 pm

but he seems to be kind to his son.

3:58 pm

yep that's pretty much all this Quaker has got.

3:58 pm

He is insecure and seeking validation. He is just doing it wrong.

3:58 pm

and. . . .nothing

3:59 pm

Well, yes, the whole thing was a cluster.

3:59 pm

ha** to argue against that origami. . .Friends were tear gassed.

4:01 pm

my phone just blew up with an alarm to inform me that there is a curfew at 7 ev** though the polls close at 8. But voting or working the polls is exempt from the curfew. Now I hope they tell the military.

4:02 pm

my boy is determined to vote after 7.

4:03 pm

*tears in eyes* I don't know where he gets that backbone from. . .

4:04 pm

I'm conscious that I'm not American, so not entitled to comment, but I really do fear for what will happen next. Your president is a loose canon.

4:05 pm

I think we're actually on the same page jmc

4:05 pm

you are not alone in thinking that Soodle. And I believe everyone is entitled to have an opinion. He looked so tiny in front of St. Johns. And St. Johns is a tiny church. But the destruction. . . .

4:06 pm

Oh, I misread the ha** :D

4:07 pm

haha hate is not in the grid origami

4:07 pm

nor is "have." :D

4:07 pm

haha nope

I feel like you can use every day words like hard in regular convo even though it's in the grid in a grid this size

then we'd have to ce6 everything

4:08 pm

one could argue that by using the * it actually highlights it in the grid more than simply typing it

4:08 pm

meh it is part of the fun for me hokie, to write without using ev** everyday words in the grid. . . it is the challenge

I concur, moo

4:09 pm

I think the focus of the situation at hand should be on the situation at hand. Not on what Trump does or doesn't do. Is he doing stupid things? Yes. Nothing new.

moo, how many do you have left? it is slow going here, still 64 to go

4:09 pm

true moo but that was the tradition when I started here in 2008. I am a traditionalist!!!

4:10 pm

20 left here

wow, well done

4:10 pm

yeah, it's been remarkably smooth for me today

4:11 pm

valid point molls. If I wasn't afraid the bringing in of the military will let things spiral out of control I could take this more in stride. . .the boy and I laugh about a lot of his scrapes during protests.

4:11 pm

wd moo

4:11 pm

225 left

4:11 pm

tx

I will not be catching you

but if you want to try and guess my missing d, I won't complain

4:12 pm

I have 2 d's missing :)

ha! I'm ahead of you on that one!

4:12 pm

indeed

4:13 pm

Clearly the apple hasn't fallen too far from the tree, Jmc 😊

4:13 pm

haha I am afraid that is true enough soodle

4:13 pm

I wonder what people would do if they were in charge. It seems like a natural course of events to try and control the rioting situation. I don't know how else you do that without using some law ejforcement.

agree, you can't have total anarchy

4:14 pm

Enforcement

4:15 pm

Found this article interesting on law enforcement in times of riots: https://tinyurl.com/ya6ppeuz

4:15 pm

I support law enforcement. . .but not one that is geared up like the military. And there is a great deal of evidence that the violence is not related to the anti-racist demonstrators but to White supremacists, some Leftists anarchists, and some people who just see a chance to steal things

4:16 pm

yesterday, for example, a guy was tearing up bricks from the street to break windows and the demonstrators surrounded him and handed him over to the police.

4:17 pm

Something like this was bound to happen. People are losing their shit over being out of work, having to stay home and having no money to pay their bills. We are not all getting paid to stay home and do nothing.

Fivethirtyeight.com has an interesting article about this. The whole thing can be read here but a telling paragraph is Researchers have spent 50 years studying the way crowds of protesters and crowds of police behave — and what happens when the two interact. One thing they will tell you is that when the police respond by escalating force — wearing riot gear from the start, or using tear gas on protesters — it doesn’t work. In fact, disproportionate police force is one of the things that can make a peaceful protest not so peaceful. But if we know that (and have known that for decades), why are police still doing it?https://tinyurl.com/ya6ppeuz

4:19 pm

we reading the same site matty :)

Great minds think alike...or at least link alike :)

4:19 pm

And apparently we do too ;)

Hah! Fair point, well made ;)

From the same article: "Experts say the following decades of research have turned up similar findings. Escalating force by police leads to more violence, not less. It tends to create feedback loops, where protesters escalate against police, police escalate even further, and both sides become increasingly angry and afraid."

well, I need to get moving again. TTFN. have a good day, or good night sleep for matty :D

Thank you Carla - I shall be heading to bed very shortly :)

4:23 pm

seeya hoke

4:23 pm

Bye, hokie.

4:52 pm

I couldn't agree more Mattie. A prime example is Northern Ireland circa 1969. Peaceful Civil Rights protests were quelled. The introduction of the army did nothing but inflame already heightened tensions. 30 years of mayhem, murder & atrocities ensued. I would not wish this type of catastrophe on any nation.

4:53 pm

Apologies for the time lag. I'm glued to the TV.

4:56 pm

just in case you guys didn't notice.. hell did freeze over :D

4:57 pm

A red letter day. For sure. 😜

5:02 pm

What's happening now, ru?

5:09 pm

underworldal climate change

5:09 pm

Ha :D

5:27 pm

Emailed you ori

5:29 pm

Got it!

6:04 pm

help with 2nd de7 pls

6:05 pm

Pass away

6:07 pm

Usually used in the past tense.

6:10 pm

ty both

6:26 pm

good evening! even bigger puzzle tonight!

6:29 pm

hello all....

6:29 pm

hey, Pen

6:29 pm

hi phan....

6:30 pm

not getting very far with that 1st tile...

6:31 pm

when I start a grid, I just go systematcially around the grid and just type in as many words as I can find.....i don't do it by letter until later....

6:32 pm

I try to get at least half of each tile in order...

6:33 pm

everyone has their own plan of attack....

6:33 pm

yup. Not very successful with the first row... lol

6:34 pm

but I did grey the e!

6:34 pm

i think i adopted my strategy because i feel successful for a while.. ;o)

6:34 pm

I developed mine because I am anal!

6:36 pm

well i am pretty anal, too, lol.....

6:37 pm

I play willy nilly for a while and then work on it letter by letter.

6:38 pm

after i have found as many words as I can, i look at the stats and see if I have missed a letter...

6:43 pm

Sigh ... I still need 120

6:44 pm

i am down to 38....had to list when I had 55 words left....

6:45 pm

wow! I have 73 words.

6:45 pm

well i worked on it this morning.....evenings are to finish up for me....

6:47 pm

Yeah, this is my first time on...

6:47 pm

my routine is usually to work on the grid in the morning and finish in the evening....

6:48 pm

tonight i am noticing that there are lots of words I should have found this morning.....i was distracted this morning by the paving of the parking area opposite my place...

6:49 pm

was that a good distraction?

6:51 pm

no.....the noise gave me a headache.....finally put headphones on.....that helped....

6:51 pm

bummer. Sorry, glad music helped.

6:52 pm

well at least they were efficient....seemed to get a lot done....

6:52 pm

awesome

6:59 pm

nice sized grid today

6:59 pm

yes...

7:02 pm

ungulate already

7:05 pm

and a bunny

7:08 pm

can someone please clue the second de 7/36?....it's my last word....

7:12 pm

stop living, pen

7:13 pm

duh....thanks....i am done...

7:15 pm

Congratulations, pen. That one is a little hard to see as it usually appears as past tense.

7:16 pm

good job. I did get more than 1/2 way iwith my 1st run... Now to list

7:18 pm

ty....

7:18 pm

on 2n thought. I think I will try to find my new puppy...

7:19 pm

heading out.....going back to my Fringe binge.... po)

7:19 pm

goodnight all.....

7:19 pm

good night

7:21 pm

'night, pen

7:29 pm

What are the stats for the 2nd column E please?

7:29 pm

ma6/27 pls

7:33 pm

ma6/27 - male + former Marxist from Argentina

7:34 pm

Took me that long to figure out how to clue it :D

7:35 pm

ty but have no idea about the end of the word

7:35 pm

Great conversation here today about what is going on in these united states. misstearweus added some great insight and was very tolerant of some who made some unfortunate remarks.

7:36 pm

Maybe Molly can give a better clue than mine

7:39 pm

is the ma7 related to the ma6?

7:40 pm

Yep

7:41 pm

Last name of the Marxist was Guevara

7:46 pm

ty ori

7:47 pm

4 left

7:47 pm

help with 4th re8 pls

7:48 pm

nm

7:49 pm

and done

7:49 pm

83 here. going to the list

7:56 pm

ooh the first frozen apple juice enriched with vitamin C

7:59 pm

Could I please have a clue for the last ma 6/24?

7:59 pm

one who homogenizes spuds

8:01 pm

Good grief. I always miss the obvious.

8:01 pm

thank you

8:01 pm

yw :)

I'm back again. Do I go to the list for last 64 or try to find more?

think I'm going to have to go to the list

8:13 pm

come to the dark side carla

when I look at how many I've found it feels pretty respectable. :D

8:15 pm

nobody is judging you :)

I know. we are our own harshest critics.

8:16 pm

14 left. I was missing some pretty obvious ones

yeah, have already found 3 a4 that I should've gotten. so easy to miss obvious ones with this many words.

8:22 pm

Well, I have 82 left and have listed. We'll see ...

8:22 pm

I listed at 83 :)

8:22 pm

last word

I always miss the skin condition that both my kids have!

8:22 pm

But you guys are better than I am

8:23 pm

done!

8:23 pm

At this game I mean. Didn't mean to sound snarky :D

8:23 pm

Yay, Harry!

lol

8:23 pm

yay!

well done, harry

8:23 pm

hi, folks

8:23 pm

gotta go put hdrogen peroxide on my kids leg

8:23 pm

hi welki!

8:24 pm

Hi Welki!

8:24 pm

the fizzing takes their minds off the wound :)

8:24 pm

Hi welki; I just got here for the first time today

8:24 pm

he said he got a "small scrape" from his bike, I looked at it yesterday and it looks like a grizzly mawled his leg

8:24 pm

hi ori!

8:24 pm

good night

8:24 pm

NEF! it's good to 'see' you!

8:25 pm

'nite, harry

8:25 pm

Harry, if you're going to use H2O2, make it half strenght

oh gosh, hope it heals nicely

8:25 pm

Listen to Nef's advice Harry. Nurses know these things.

8:25 pm

full strength peroxide is too caustic to allow the wound to heal.

8:25 pm

Hi Nef

interesting, I did not know that. I did used to love watching the fizzing when I was a kid, so welki is onto something.

8:26 pm

Hi ori and hokie. How are you guys anyway?

8:27 pm

same as when we were kids, nef? because i can't remember it any other way than straight out of the brown bottle!

8:27 pm

Hanging in there, Nef. Curfew here these days. Sigh.

hanging in there, how about you?

ha! ori, great minds...

8:28 pm

:D

8:29 pm

we used half strength peroxide in the hospital all the time for tracheotomy cares; it will actually eat away on the new healing tissues

8:29 pm

heh - curfew schmurfew, i wouldn't know the difference *lol*

8:29 pm

Doesn't really impact me, for sure. Nowhere to go.

8:30 pm

Welki - someone on Facebook posted a quote that Canadians must feel like people living in a nice apartment over a meth lab :D

I don't know if we have one here

8:31 pm

my father would put it on fresh wounds/scrapes just to clean them out - maybe if it was used more often, there would have been bad results

8:31 pm

It's the protests here hokie

8:31 pm

we have a curfew here too; and it seems to help now (especially with the National Guard here). I don't understand why people think they won't be arrested after curfew; but at the site of George Floyd's death, they are allowing all night vigils.

we are having protests too but haven't heard about a curfew

8:32 pm

ori - that's so off the mark hokie. we have the same problems as you, but not as big of a population, so it doesn't make the headlines

8:32 pm

My mother always doused every wound liberally with peroxide until a doctor told her not to use it on puncture wounds because it impedes healing.

I think more accurately it's due to the rioting, not the protests

8:33 pm

welki, it still fizzes with half strength now. I have found that there are different strengths of it these days; maybe all peroxide was a lower strength back then?

8:33 pm

Yes, sorry. I stand corrected. I shouldn't have used the term "protest." It is, indeed, the rioting.

8:33 pm

that's what i'm thinking, nef - or we'd all be walking wounds :)

8:34 pm

LOL! Very true, welki.

8:34 pm

(and sorry i inserted 'hokie' into my reply to ori)

I think once it stopped fizzing we stopped using it

8:34 pm

yep, because then it was "clean" - very scientific :D

lol, I am in a dark movie room and struggling to read this chat, so I didn't even see that, welki

exactly, welki

8:36 pm

Ori, there are different people involved in the protests (which have all been peaceful here & made up of local multiracial people who seem to know each othe; and the rioters; who were white (but not all from out of state as originally reported). Then there were the looters; mostly blacks, and (as someone said) taking advantage of the opportunity.

and in case that wasn't clear, I'm struggling to read because I need readers :D

8:38 pm

how many of you ever had mercurichrome used on cuts and scrapes? Not THAT stuff hurt!!!

8:38 pm

time to go - g'night ladies!

8:38 pm

Yes, I know, Nef. I used the wrong term. I 100% uphold the right to protest.

8:38 pm

Good night, welki.

yep. I think my mom had some when I was a kid that was like 20 years old

8:38 pm

hoki, readers are wonderful; just don't try walking around with them on.

8:39 pm

(i still have mecurichrome, less than 20 years old)

and I remember my neighbor mixing mercurochrome with baby oil for suntanning

8:39 pm

old school wound care. and really --- bye!

nef, I have readers all over the house, just not in this movie room with me. hard to watch the movie with them on.

8:40 pm

My grandmother was a big believer in mercurochrome and methiolate. I forget which one burned but one was worse than straight isopropyl alcohol.

one of my friends in high school cut her hand and her grandmother like packed brown sugar in and poured turpentine on it. she said it was awful.

8:41 pm

I forgot all about methiolate! I thinkitwas the mercurochromethat stung

not sure I know methiolate

8:42 pm

OH, MY, hoki! that sounds awful!!

lets not forget the good old iodine! Man, I remember getting all of these things used for cuts and scrapes growing up.

8:43 pm

yep another oldie no longer used mcurlschool

How about a boric acid solution as an eye wash!

oh my

it works nicely;

8:45 pm

I don't remember that one, curl, I do remember they used plain water when one of my siblings got sawdust or dirt in his eye

8:45 pm

Boric acid was great for vaginal infections back when...

8:46 pm

And neosporin is evil. I had a severe burn a couple of years ago and kept putting copious amounts of neosporin on it thinking it would keep it from getting infected. Not! I developed an allergic reaction to the neosporin that led to an infection. Then my doctor told me she doesn't recommend it.

8:46 pm

sorry, mcurl,didn't mean to mess up your name

works amazingly for scratches or eye infections like pink eye or just a plain old cold in your eye.

8:48 pm

hello again friends

8:49 pm

Hi Trifioso

ori, my kids' pediatrician told me that years ago about neosporin

hey trif

8:49 pm

Welcome back, Trif.

8:50 pm

I wonder if I will get arrested if I got out after 10 PM curfew to mail a bunch of letters (I'm supposed to be printing mailing labels so I can do it before curfew tonight)

8:51 pm

I'd wait until morning, Nef. Our curfew starts at 7 pm here.

8:51 pm

Especially given where you live.

8:52 pm

It starts at 10 tonight for us; the "troubles" don't start until dark it seems.

yeah, they seem to ramp up here around 11

8:52 pm

That's right, it probably gets darker earlier there, Nef.

8:53 pm

*later, rather

8:53 pm

where do you live, hoki?

Charlotte, NC suburbs

8:55 pm

Oh, great! One of the fireworks seasons is upon us here. This one starts around June 1 and goes until July 15 or so. And fireworks that are illegal almost eveerywhere else are legal here. And lots of illegal ones are used also. One of my dogs gets freaked out.

ugh. my dog, who's 3, hasn't started freaking out with storms or fireworks yet.

8:58 pm

I saw that on your profile (but my son is ruining my game and chat here by going on about the current situation here)

we had a few days of fireworks around Mem. Day

9:02 pm

I'll be right back; he's distracting me too much from chat.

9:04 pm

Hokie - My dog is a 95 lb black and tan coonhound. They are bred to hunt bear and mountain lion and she is afraid of the dishwasher, the roomba, slippery floors and fireworks.

Mine is a golden ret. named Winston and he is scared of so many things we call him Wimpston.

Our friends have a rhodesian ridgeback, which those are bred to fight lions or something and are very large, and he is scared of most everything, incl. grass.

dogs are funny

9:12 pm

Indeed. I figured you would actually know what a B&T Coonhound is. Most people in CA think she's a big doberman :D

yes, I've seen them. :D

I like hounds

9:13 pm

I love hounds! They are so funny and quirky. Lots of personality. One of the many dogs we had when I was growing up was a ridgeback. She was a wonderful dog.

my dad had beagles when I was growing up

9:14 pm

Back. Lori, does a B&T coonhound "look" like a doberman> My daughter has a B&T dog that I thought was a cross between a German Shephard and a doberman; and she weighs about 100 lbs and is very quirky.

9:14 pm

I have been thinking about a beagle when my very old dogs pass on. Sounds ghoulish, but I really need a dog in my life.

yeah, I can't imagine not having one in my life

9:15 pm

The do look a little like a natural doberman (without ear and tail cropping). I'll send you a picture on FB, Nef.

9:18 pm

Thanks. Whitney if very intelligent ;but she's so funny weird in so many ways that I know it isn't the GS side of her making her do the things she does.

9:20 pm

Dobies can be quirky/funny too. We had a couple of those when I was growing up and I really liked them. Wonderful dogs. Very easily trained and incredibly loyal.

9:21 pm

Googling them, Whitney's colors are exactly the opposite of what's pictured, and she has more of the GS ears ,but her face isn't right; it's too long for a GS.

9:21 pm

I would get a dobie, actually, when these guys go, but I really need a smaller dog. I'm getting older and my back is shot and it is very hard to get either of them in the car. I need to downsize.

9:26 pm

She looks more like a doberman in color; her ears & tail aren't cropped. Her other dog is a cross between a bulldog and a pit bull; both of them are rescues. Whitney will growl to scold Korv if Korv jumps up on the fence to say hi or barks for no reason.

well, the bottom part of the list turned into a real slog but I am finished.

9:37 pm

YAY, hoki carla!!! WTG!!!

9:37 pm

Congratulations, hokie. I still have 80 left and probably won't finish.

9:37 pm

(my son is backbugging me again)

9:37 pm

Check the pics I sent you, Nef.

9:40 pm

She looks like a silly girl! :)

9:43 pm

She is a goober! Disney got it right with Goofey where the hounds are concerned :D

9:43 pm

I sent you a picture of my 3 grandbabies

9:46 pm

Haven't come through yet. I'll check later. I would kill for a grandbaby :D

9:47 pm

Well, 2 of the 3 are dogs; the other 1 is a real kid.

9:48 pm

Can anyone give me a clue for the ne6? I am stumped.

9:50 pm

Sorry, ori, I don'thave it yet either, but will help you look

9:58 pm

Pt of ne 5/16

10:00 pm

Ah, thanks, tiger

10:04 pm

Well, babblers, I am giving up. Too many more to find and chores to do. Have a nice evening.

10:04 pm

niters, ori.

10:05 pm

And thanks, Tigereye.

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